Island Underwater

[tipeck]

i actually just watched a video thats pretty good at explaining this. so basically how the black rock got into the middle of the island was jacob has the power to make the island go under water and above water whenever he wants or maybe thats what the donkey wheel does. he submerged the island and when the ship was over the middle he brought it back up.

[ejpolot]

Can you give me a link?

[bondo]

Originally Posted by tipeck

i actually just watched a video thats pretty good at explaining this. so basically how the black rock got into the middle of the island was jacob has the power to make the island go under water and above water whenever he wants or maybe thats what the donkey wheel does. he submerged the island and when the ship was over the middle he brought it back up.

no, looks like it's been under for some time, since the algae and barnacles growing on the foot. Not to mention the others village is pretty much in ruins.

[Wizeh]

Go to the spoiler section and listen to the latest podcast.

Not sure which podcast your refering too but im pretty sure the lost producers said there wasnt going to be any parralel universes or alternate time lines etc. I might be wrong though

i actually just watched a video thats pretty good at explaining this. so basically how the black rock got into the middle of the island was jacob has the power to make the island go under water and above water whenever he wants or maybe thats what the donkey wheel does. he submerged the island and when the ship was over the middle he brought it back up.

Doesnt make sense though does it, What possible reason would jacob have for doing that and why would he do it solely for the purpose of having a ship in the middle of the island.

I think a Tsunami (possibly caused by volcano/earthquake) lifted the black rock onto the island and thats what destroyed the statue.

[Grim Reapster]

Originally Posted by Wizeh

Not sure which podcast your refering too but im pretty sure the lost producers said there wasnt going to be any parralel universes or alternate time lines etc. I might be wrong though



Doesnt make sense though does it, What possible reason would jacob have for doing that and why would he do it solely for the purpose of having a ship in the middle of the island.

I think a Tsunami (possibly caused by volcano/earthquake) lifted the black rock onto the island and thats what destroyed the statue.

The podcast is here: http://ll.media.abc.com/podcast/audi...07_2715739.mp3

Spoiler: Damon Lindelof says that they don't like call it an alternate reality, or alternate time-line because he feels that the word alternate doesn't do it justice.

[thewhiterabbit]

Originally Posted by KH223

I think that the only reason that Shannon is not on the plane is that she did not want to reappear for the last series, so they had to write her out. Also, I don't believe desmond was actually on the plane. He appeared mid-flight, and nobody saw him other than Jack, and then he vanished again.

Actually, Damon and Carlton said on the Jimmy Kimmel Live episode that we'd be seeing Shannon several times later in the season!

[thewhiterabbit]

Originally Posted by McShabby

1, what people are calling New Otherton. Seriously guys, we were calling it that when we first saw the others living there instead of in tents.

This is what Damon and Carlton call it, too! Can't blame us if the writers are calling it the "wrong" name, as well.

Originally Posted by McShabby

All of these things mean that there is no problem with the fact that the bomb caused the alternate reality, and in that reality the sinking of the island. The Dharma village is still intact because the nuke was detonated a long way under ground. People are saying that the swings and houses would look crappier if they had been underwater for 27 years, well look at the video footage of the Titanic.

The last point I will make to blow this theory out of the water is this, The losties are back in 2007 now. When the alt plane flies over the island it's 2004. Even if they manage to sink the island for some reason it doesn't matter because it's 2007 there and 2004 in the alt reality. They would have to go back to before the alt reality plane goes over the island and cause some major cataclysm in the past, like oooh... I don't know... Detonate a nuclear bomb over a pocket of exotic matter.

Also, they said that the bomb isn't what caused the flash or the island being underwater. Actually, on the Jimmy Kimmel Live airing after the premiere Damon said something to the extent of them giving clues as to what sank the island, and he pointed out that you should notice New Otherton is there.

Not that Damon and Carlton don't like to feed us a good load of sh** every now and then, also!

[thewhiterabbit]

Originally Posted by Baums

your an idiot. people can theorize anything they want. you can't prove him wrong more than he can prove this right.

oh and learn how to spell if you are going to criticize people

Not that I don't agree with your point, but maybe before YOU criticize someone's spelling you should learn that you're and your are not synonymous.

[Wizeh]

I think the losties will indeed go back in time again and cause the sinking of the island.

If you remember Locke traveled to the future. But he was dead in the past, because he traveled into the future before he actually died and he has to travel back and die.

So technically the island is sunk they just havent sunk it yet.

So currently the island is fine but the losties will go back and then in 2004 it will be sunk and they will be on the flight.

I think the island desyncs from reality some what and its actions dont really happen, Like jacob says "It only ends once , everything before that is just progress"

So the losties on the plane and the island sunk IS the end. And everything we see upto that point is simply progress.

Dont know how well people will understand what i said. But in short the losties on the island are behind the losties on the plane in terms of time.

The 2004 flight with desmond on board is the furthest point in time we have in the show, everything else happened/happens before it.

THERE IS **NOT** 2 time lines or alternative realities there is just 1.

[Nick EFC]

Originally Posted by Wizeh

I think the losties will indeed go back in time again and cause the sinking of the island.

If you remember Locke traveled to the future. But he was dead in the past, because he traveled into the future before he actually died and he has to travel back and die.

So technically the island is sunk they just havent sunk it yet.

So currently the island is fine but the losties will go back and then in 2004 it will be sunk and they will be on the flight.

I think the island desyncs from reality some what and its actions dont really happen, Like jacob says "It only ends once , everything before that is just progress"

So the losties on the plane and the island sunk IS the end. And everything we see upto that point is simply progress.

Dont know how well people will understand what i said. But in short the losties on the island are behind the losties on the plane in terms of time.

The 2004 flight with desmond on board is the furthest point in time we have in the show, everything else happened/happens before it.

THERE IS **NOT** 2 time lines or alternative realities there is just 1.

I'm of exactly the same opinion

[ThisIsMyDestiny]

Originally Posted by Wizeh

The 2004 flight with desmond on board is the furthest point in time we have in the show, everything else happened/happens before it.

it kinda makes sense.. but then, why doesn't anyone know each other?

[Grim Reapster]

Originally Posted by Wizeh

I think the losties will indeed go back in time again and cause the sinking of the island.

If you remember Locke traveled to the future. But he was dead in the past, because he traveled into the future before he actually died and he has to travel back and die.

So technically the island is sunk they just havent sunk it yet.

So currently the island is fine but the losties will go back and then in 2004 it will be sunk and they will be on the flight.

I think the island desyncs from reality some what and its actions dont really happen, Like jacob says "It only ends once , everything before that is just progress"

So the losties on the plane and the island sunk IS the end. And everything we see upto that point is simply progress.

Dont know how well people will understand what i said. But in short the losties on the island are behind the losties on the plane in terms of time.

The 2004 flight with desmond on board is the furthest point in time we have in the show, everything else happened/happens before it.

THERE IS **NOT** 2 time lines or alternative realities there is just 1.

I've quoted you twice already, but this will be the last time. Are you deliberately ignoring, or not listening to, the podcast I provided the link for in my last post? If you're worried that listening to it might spoil the show...it doesn't. In it the creators talk about things that happened in the premiere; and what they might, or might not, mean. Once again the writers do address the topic of the two time-lines, and they say:

Spoiler: There are two distinct time-lines, and they are equally real.

If you don't believe me listen for yourself, but as I said this is the last time I'm going to bring this up. Your perfectly welcome to continue believing, and posting, that there is only one time-line. I'll just assume that either you never bothered to take my advice, or you're choosing to ignore what the writers themselves said in favor of your own theory.

[Wizeh]

If you don't believe me listen for yourself, but as I said this is the last time I'm going to bring this up. Your perfectly welcome to continue believing, and posting, that there is only one time-line. I'll just assume that either you never bothered to take my advice, or you're choosing to ignore what the writers themselves said in favor of your own theory.

they make it very clear it is *NOT* an alternate timeline.

two distinct time-lines does not mean what you think it means. There isnt a whole new dimension or universe. Both time lines are part of the same universe just like when Jack and co are in 1977 and everyone else is in 2007

[Steve34436]

I think everyone is taking this show way to literally, and forgetting how the show started out. I think the island is underwater because the people that landed on it before chose to fly by it. Its underwater because there wasn't a need for it to exist after they chose to never have landed on it.

I don't know lol, but something like that. The island "appeared" to begin with because the "losties" needed to land on it. The island still exists even though they flew over it, just much harder to see when its underwater.

The island is kind of a "what if" in a way and shows what all the people that landed there are capable of.

[sigfrik]

I think deepness of the ocean is one of the possible spots where the ISland can be, it is moving, always moving,according to Eloise they developed a method not to know where the Island IS but where is about to be, and the fact that they used a submarin not a ship to go there suggests that deep into ocean is a possible location for it to be.

The statue and barracks where quite not-destructed, so although the bomb was detonated in a deep whole, if it was detonated, I presume some of the surface stuff might be destroyed, and that is not the case, so I am not so sure that the Island is submerged for exploding reasons, as a matter of fact I think Eloise moved the wheel so the Island moved in time and space and the losties were brought back to now